Comic 637 - Who Blue Truly Are- Page 32

14th Apr 2017, 11:00 PM in Who Blue Truly Are
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Adam C. 14th Apr 2017, 11:00 PM edit delete reply
Adam C.
God, okay, how do I start on this....

Like I said, I'm not trying to somehow invalidate Marvelous Man's accomplishments as a hero by saying he cheated on that test. Regardless of how he got the job, it doesn't change the fact that he still accomplished good things after he became Marvelous Man. .... Okay, yes, he DID screw over the other candidates who would've been chosen instead of him, and yes, it probably would be better for everybody involved if he didn't get picked and...

Okay, saying it out loud it sounds pretty bad. But my point is that I think the fact that he cheated is less important than his reasoning behind it, and the fact that he can wave it away with a speech. He's able to justify it to himself and that's enough for him to simply not feel guilty over it. That to me is the red flag of the scenario.

I've said before that Captain Kirk was a major inspiration for Marvelous Man, and a key point of that is that both will casually ignore regulations because they're too awesome for that boring red nerd-tape. The cheating on a psych-eval thing was really just me thinking about what the Kobaiyashi Maru would be in a modern context; something that's meant to determine your character that you simply sidestep because you're too cool for it.

I said last time I try to give Marvelous Man good arguments toward the shadowy things he does; looking at the page again, this is one of the weaker cases of that. The position as the government's top hero would've been taken no matter who was selected, so Marshalls bribing the guy didn't benefit anyone but himself. As Insomniac said, it was pretty insulting to the other candidates to the position.
Martin F. 14th Apr 2017, 11:09 PM edit delete reply
Martin F.
Oh, hey, Adam finally got around to getting an avatar! Which means nothing to you if you're reading this on DA!

I'm kind of not entirely satisfied with my work on this one. Went up and down on the fog a lot, kind of playing with it in various ways, but just don't really think it came out looking that good. Probably would've just redone it entirely instead of going with this version but MS only keeps your history in place for so long before you can undo it.

Random thing that didn't take as long as you'd think it would've but still was kind of a waste of effort - that flag actually does have 50 stars.


Wolfintina 14th Apr 2017, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
Whoa this is crazy, there are just so many things wrong with MM.
Adam C. 17th Apr 2017, 11:44 PM edit delete reply
Adam C.
Yeaaaah, does kinda keep digging that hole, doesn't he?
Rastaba 15th Apr 2017, 8:52 AM edit delete reply
So yeah. MM only further proves how he is not the man who should have this job. Not simply the bribery but how quick he is to justify any action HE feels is righteous. Does this mean should the general decide to have him returned to civilian life, he would refuse and do something to convince him or prevent it because it doesn't suit his sense of 'righteousness'. If the government he is supposed to serve started imposing further rules he disagreed with, how would he react to them? It is one thing to go against those for the genuine sake of what is is another to justify something so blatantly wrong that he didn't believe he could make it in on his own merit without remorse.

And I don't quite know that I agree on the Kobayashi Maru = Psych eval to test your character thing. The Kobayashi Maru is not to test character but to test how one reacts to a no win scenario, which is different from how a psych evil determines if you are even sane for the position in the first place. And Kirk at least had valid reason behind cheating as the KM was itself cheating by preventing the possibility of success, even if that was its purpose. MM could have possibly succeeded. I don't think he would have, and apparently neither did he. But he took a fair system and subverted it selfishly.

I am deeply curious to what the Insomniac intends to do here. As he does still have his date to get to, and I do believe he has no intentions of ratting out MM. after all he is right, he has no proof, only his own testimony on what he claims to have seen inside his head. And if he made someone believe him, he would be no different from MM. I am excited to see just how he intends to respond to this.
Adam C. 17th Apr 2017, 11:43 PM edit delete reply
Adam C.
Eheh... Glad you think that. ^^ The inability to feel guilt is what I was trying to convey as the really dangerous thing here. As for Insomniac, what he plans on doing to Marvelous Man'll become apparent pretty quick.

Heh... Good comment, I stand that the KM essentially IS a psych eval; testing your character and your ability to cope with certain situations are really all a psych evaluation is. They just need to make sure you won't have a breakdown and drive a cop-car through a building, or whip out a phaser and take the redshirt population down a peg. The purpose of the KM wasn't to BEAT it, but to PASS it; show the examiners that you have the courage and character to make it through a no-win scenario without losing your cool. So the KM isn't really an unfair system, or there'd be no point in having it. That's why I equate it to cheating on a Psych-Eval; both cases are someone taking something meant to look into their psyche and see if they can cope with a pretty massive responsibility and saying, "No, trust me. I'm too awesome for the test."

For the record though, yeah, I don't think MM would pass since he fits the criteria needed for textbook narcissism. Not the kind of person you give super-powers to.
Reaper Dragon 16th Apr 2017, 8:50 AM edit delete reply
Reaper Dragon
As the KM assessment was checking how you act in a no win situation I don't consider it a cheat to force a no win situation to create the test situations. That said, changing the parameters to avoid a foreseen no win situation is a solution. It in itself is a reaction to the test and as such something to be graded on. Everyone knowing the test situation in advance before sitting it is a flaw in the test. The actual KM mission was entering an unknown situation that at the time wasn't considered no win until the actual situation presented itself. An actual imitation would be to randomly spring a situation without warning rather than as a test at an appointed time and place.

And a psychological evaluation for a hero in which he proves he is corrupt in an attempt to cheat isn't a means around, it's an automatic fail. He showed lack of moral and ethical fibre required for the position. No doubt this was intended to weed out potential villains as well. I don't see a KM comparison.
Adam C. 17th Apr 2017, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
Adam C.
Heh. I think the Kobaiyashi Maru is a psychological test since it does test the ability of a potential officer to handle scenarios that would naturally be brutal and difficult to cope with. Other Star Trek episodes would have people undergoing similar tests to cope with hard decisions (Wesley having to leave someone to their death, Troi ordering Geordi on a suicide mission, a bunch of Voyager crew members retreating in defeat...).

The impression I got from the KM was that it was one part of a larger psych exam to test one's ability to command if you plan on becoming on officer, sort of like how a Rorschach test would be part of a real-life psych evaluation in the present. You can't BEAT the KM, but you can PASS it by keeping your cool and maintaining your moral and ethical strength in the darkest of situations, since that's ultimately what the KM is testing for.

Those qualities it tests for that you mentioned ARE major questions, and I feel like just side-stepping the issue with "Oh, but I'm awesome so this won't happen to me" is ducking a genuine question. That's why I equated it to cheating on a psychological evaluation. In the Star Trek films Kirk DID go through some really bad scenarios that would wreck havoc on a guy's psyche; death of his best friend, death of his son, loss of his ship, death of Shatner's directing career.... When you have those scenarioes playing out, even if you beat the bad guy you can't call it a "Win." Suppose Kirk hadn't had the fortitude to get through those things and just had a breakdown halfway through Search For Spock; if that was going to happen, it's something Starfleet would need to know BEFORE giving him a ship.

Hell, I think people give Janeway a lot of undue crap, but she actually WAS in a no-win scenario at the start of Voyager and working with the deck pretty heavily stacked against her. While she's not a perfect captain and you could see her buckling under the weight of all the pressure of getting the crew home, she still got through it; coping with a no-win scenario wasn't something she could sidestep, it was a totally essential skill. Otherwise she would've landed the ship on the first decent planet and started making shelter with Redshirts for bricks.

Sorry, that... That came out as kind of a rant.